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Melon Farmers (Dave) [27100. Posted 6-Aug-2010 Fri 11:49] View Near Messages
IanG, re-STD checking nutters.
I think these condom campaigners have no real interest in being logical or even in porn performers using condoms. They are just your usual anti-porn campaigners who are attacking the porn industry via a new angle. Melon Farmers (Dave) [27053. Posted 26-Jul-2010 Mon 10:23] View Near Messages
Harvey,
I think the 11 years + indefinite option is more or less job`s done as far the authorities are concerned. Spicing up the rap with a DPA charge would be a bit superfluous in this case.
So probably only down to the press to whip up a fuss but no real signs of much interest so far, perhaps not out of the ordinary enough for that. So I guess we wont hear much more about this one, as most will agree that the outcome is about right. Melon Farmers (Dave) [27048. Posted 23-Jul-2010 Fri 15:42] View Near Messages
Re R18 adverts on TV.
It will be interesting to see how the softcore channels incorporate R18 advertising into their marketing bullshit. All this bollox about being the `strongest available` etc will somehow have to acknowledge that it is not actually the real stuff.
Intuitively marketing along the lines of `you`ve seen the softcore version, now buy the hardcore version` seems to be a quite a good opportunity. But is does rather mean owning up to the fact that the channel itself, is most definitely soft. Melon Farmers (Dave) [27028. Posted 18-Jul-2010 Sun 08:27] View Near Messages
pbr, a bit saggier now. As octopus ladies go, she looks a bit past it to me. Melon Farmers (Dave) [27025. Posted 17-Jul-2010 Sat 23:14] View Near Messages
DarkAngel
Vaz even retained his chairmanship of the Commons Home Affairs Committee Melon Farmers (Dave) [27019. Posted 16-Jul-2010 Fri 07:29] View Near Messages
Good point Ian. Now all we need is an expensive barrister and a high court appointment. It is always tough to get our interests aligned with those that have got the money and/or inclination. All sorts of weird reasons make for contrary results. To follow your lines of logic, I guess the TV companies may prefer for Ofcom to rant at the likes of Gaunt. Keeps them off their own back a bit. Melon Farmers (Dave) [27016. Posted 15-Jul-2010 Thu 10:24] View Near Messages
sorry about lack of Melon Farmers update today. Bad internet day.
Melon Farmers (Dave) [26997. Posted 7-Jul-2010 Wed 19:24] View Near Messages
Re Customs
The whole process of legalisation evolved over a couple of years and agencies were obviously taking different views. Customs were embroiled quite early on and had a fair amount of press coverage. Perhaps as you`d expect they were always dragging their feet about it.
But after the court decision, the government organised a series of meetings between those bodies affected, BBFC,police, customs, CPS, home office, trading standards etc. And between the court decision in June 2000 (not checked) and the first proper hardcore R18s in August/September the authorities pulled together and decided to all take the same stance and to all accept that the BBFC R18 guidelines defined that that was no longer obscene. Other issues were sorted such as customs/imports etc.
And as a result all the bodies did seem to pull together thereafter and it seemed to all work smoothly in the end.
The observed changes in customs were surely just down to the where they were asked on ths timeline.
Melon Farmers (Dave) [26978. Posted 4-Jul-2010 Sun 20:43] View Near Messages
IanG
I did get wind of some of the discussions when R18s were made legal. There were some inter organisation meetings of the usual suspects. I think it was decided that foreign sellers were technically in breach of UK law on mail order but this would be unenforecable. And as the personal importer is not in breach of the law then I think it was just a pragmatic decision to allow mail order imports. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26947. Posted 22-Jun-2010 Tue 03:50] View Near Messages
IanG
Take a look at the latest Ofcom nonsense whinge about House of Fun Babe Channel.
Is it me or have the upped the amount of blather trying to justify their absolute censorship. They seem to have found lots of ways to say we understand human rights...BUT...
Surely something is rattling their cage. I guess something to do with the Euro interpretation of the audio visual directive rather knocking holes in their previous stock of blather Melon Farmers (Dave) [26942. Posted 20-Jun-2010 Sun 18:58] View Near Messages
Re IanG`s letter
Probably necessary to keep the language restrained.
On a point you mentioned before, I think it is worth picking up on the PIN issue. The mandatory and repeated requirement to enter the PIN causes real hassle. The overstrict requirement to enter it during mild 12/15 rated daytime films gave the game away in my family household, and what may have been a useful facility to stop the kids watching 18 rated films was lost. How is one meant to be able to let mid teen kids watch 15 rated films yet not watch 18 rated films. The current implementation just does not work and is just a sham.
Does anybody know if Ofcom defines rules on PIN implementation or is the current nonsense just down to to the way Sky have decided to do it, with a `better safe than sorry, got to keep the nutters happy` design approach. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26927. Posted 17-Jun-2010 Thu 09:24] View Near Messages
Malcom
There is a partial list on
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358876/episodes
Noted as starting in 2001 and ending in 2005 Melon Farmers (Dave) [26916. Posted 15-Jun-2010 Tue 07:00] View Near Messages
Nothing makes sense to me about the softcore pay channels but maybe it is linked to some aspects of babe channels.
I occasionally glance at some of the forums targeted at various forms of adult satellite entertainment. Babe channels generate more chat than most. Then you get a bit on the UK softcore subscription channels and bugger all about hardcore Euro channels.
The Babe channels seem to generate loads of interest in the girls and eg where you can get to see more of them. Similarly Adult Channel and particularly TelevisionX now produce loads of R18s of their TV stuff. Presumably the softcore stuff could be seen as a long teaser advert for the hardcore version on DVD or internet.
The hardcore snippet idea is hardly satisfactory in its own right but maybe makes more sense in this advertising model, where it adds to the tease/proof that there is more to be seen elsewhere.
Maybe the channels have just adapted to the constraints and are happy with the niche they have carved. After all the Euro hardcore subscriptions are incredibly cheap, 60pounds for a year will get some reasonable channels. Perhaps this reality is no more profitable than the teaser advertising model that has developed. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26907. Posted 14-Jun-2010 Mon 00:25] View Near Messages
Welcome back Malcolm.
Fascinating to hear about changes, but can you give details. I don`t quite see how envelopes can be pushed when you say the material is still softcore.
Last time round the challenge was material that was mainly softcore but with hardcore snippets. But these snippets were still hardcore and Ofcom put a stop to it. Is there a new angle now? Melon Farmers (Dave) [26901. Posted 12-Jun-2010 Sat 09:11] View Near Messages
IanG
A fascinating snippet in the BBFC Annual Report for 2009. The BBFC say that Ofcom accept that all material up to and including R18 doesn`t strictly need mandatory access controls, although the BBFC feel that at least R18s should be so protected. Presumably the words "seriously impair" under 18s is considered a very strict criteria.
The BBFC write on page 18 of the 2009 Annual Report:
The BBFC.online scheme was developed in the knowledge that the EU Audiovisual Services Directive would require the UK to introduce, by the end of 2009, a form of statutory regulation for certain video-on-demand services operating from within the UK.
The first tranche of UK regulations came into force on 19 December 2009, by way of amendment to the Communications Act 2003, and makes it unlawful to supply material which might seriously impair under 18s unless such material is made available in a way that ensures that under 18s do not normally see or hear it.
The duty to enforce the new rules lies with Ofcom who, in relation to ‘editorial content’, intend to delegate most of those powers to the Association for Television On Demand (ATVOD).
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Both Ofcom and ATVOD have made clear that, in their view, content which has been classified by the BBFC in any category, including ‘R18’, would not be considered likely to seriously impair those under 18, and therefore does not need to be placed behind access controls.
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At the same time, the BBFC has made clear to Government that it believes that the statutory requirements for video-on-demand services should be strengthened to ensure that, at a minimum, children are prevented from accessing ‘hardcore’ pornography. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26894. Posted 9-Jun-2010 Wed 05:44] View Near Messages
Ofcom have been having a bit of fun grading the offensiveness of strong language.
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/research/tv/reports/offensive_lang.pdf Melon Farmers (Dave) [26812. Posted 10-May-2010 Mon 00:18] View Near Messages
MichaelG
Yes the 2001 release of Frenzy is widely reported as uncut Melon Farmers (Dave) [26800. Posted 7-May-2010 Fri 06:21] View Near Messages
And of course Martin Salter`s ally, David Leppar`s seat fell to the Greens Melon Farmers (Dave) [26794. Posted 6-May-2010 Thu 20:21] View Near Messages
Good to see Vera Baird get the sack. She has been attributed with the authorship of many of Labour`s laws causing grief to Melon Farmers Melon Farmers (Dave) [26772. Posted 30-Apr-2010 Fri 00:40] View Near Messages
Melon Farmers is now back online and up to date Melon Farmers (Dave) [26771. Posted 29-Apr-2010 Thu 21:48] View Near Messages
Re Melon Farmers Offline
The hosting company are still working on their disk problems and have locked my access to the pages, hence it is stuck at the last update. But at least there is something there now.
Shaun Re forum on melonfarmers.com
Without really following it through yet, I was looking to make the com site more international and less focused on the UK. The forum is quite specific to the UK so I didn`t put a link. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26768. Posted 29-Apr-2010 Thu 04:06] View Near Messages
Melon Farmers Offline
The server is still down. Most of today`s postings are now online at an alternative server at http://www.melonfarmers.com/ Melon Farmers (Dave) [26767. Posted 29-Apr-2010 Thu 03:21] View Near Messages
Re Melon Farmers Offline
The web hosts are again reporting a storage device failure. Last time they said they replaced the device and restored a February back up. Hence the old site that Shaun saw. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26765. Posted 28-Apr-2010 Wed 20:43] View Near Messages
Re Melon Farmers outage
The web hosting company reported that they suffered a hard disk failure. I have uploaded the site again and all should now be working normally. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26762. Posted 28-Apr-2010 Wed 11:53] View Near Messages
Thanks Shaun
Seems to be a problem at the hosting company Servage. I can`t even get onto their main website to get through to tech support.
Most of the stories are mirrored at http://www.melonfarmers.com/ hosted by a different hosting company Melon Farmers (Dave) [26755. Posted 27-Apr-2010 Tue 04:54] View Near Messages
Re: religious hatred law
Yes I have cocked up and he was prosecuted under public order law.
I got misled by some of the defence comments that seemed to suggest being done for threat and incitement to violence. Sounds like Harry Taylor thought that these were the criteria for being done for modern blasphemy, rather than mere insult as in public order law.
If mere insult can be used in this context where there simply was no actual unruly public disorder, then our modern blasphemy laws are little better than those much derided in Pakistan. (Thankfully 7 years is a little less severe then capital punishment though). Melon Farmers (Dave) [26722. Posted 18-Apr-2010 Sun 21:00] View Near Messages
Speaking of Elections, I see the Daily Star is responding to a recent surge of Lib Dem support by trawling through conference policy decisions looking for `dirt`
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/131337/Nick-Clegg-s-crackpot-policies-revealed/
But what the Lib Dem leader didn’t reveal to voters were the astonishingly dangerous crackpot policies he’s desperate to hush up until after polling day.
Under Clegg’s rule, children as young as 16 would not only be allowed to buy hardcore porn films – they could star in them too.
And they’d introduce new laws making it almost impossible for councils to refuse planning permission for sex shops.
They even want to drop controls on what type of kinky extreme porn people can watch. Their only concern is that “animals should not be harmed”.
Meanwhile, they plan to legalise brothels by drawing up new regulations to license sex for sale. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26694. Posted 5-Apr-2010 Mon 20:23] View Near Messages
DarkAngel
Presumably Sky have control over what goes out on Astra 2 and what gets encrypted for use with the digibox.
However there is another satellite at the same position, Eurobird 1, that is not under Sky control and if the channel goes out free to air then it can evade Sky`s control.
Revelation TV is probably totally happy with free to air carriage and can live without a cut of the Sky subs pot. They could still get stiffed on EPG listings though Melon Farmers (Dave) [26686. Posted 3-Apr-2010 Sat 09:12] View Near Messages
Welcome to Devon Rose
Hopefully having a dad addicted to reading the Daily Mail won`t prove too much of a hindrance to life :) Melon Farmers (Dave) [26672. Posted 31-Mar-2010 Wed 11:49] View Near Messages
DarkAngel
Oops, I had advanced the day to the 1st April, It then scrolled all today`s stories down to the next section. Should be fixed in a jiffy Melon Farmers (Dave) [26663. Posted 28-Mar-2010 Sun 18:47] View Near Messages
Re PINs and passwords
The demand for PINs and passwords is often cited by nutters but I rarely have seen any sensible discussion on how a practical system can be implemented.
There are usually varying ages of people in a house with intimate knowledge of many of the usual security questions and ID interrogation methods. Many of the relationships within a household are hardly supportive of strictly enforced PIN/password secrecy
Any households with differing ages surely will find all the single PIN/password implementation as simply impractical.
And of course the kids happily conspire amongst themselves to pass on info,PINs, Passwords, even ID cards, and will happily lend their thumb to a younger sibling.
It seems to be something that is easily called for, yet in a practical life is hardly a replacement for pro-active parental control.
And of course we`ve already lived with the inevitability of kids watching age `inappropriate` stuff for a while already...If it was going to bring down life as we know it, it would have done so already. It is part of growing up that one partakes before one `should`.
Surely most of the nutters calling for state enforced PIN/passwords will have partaken in forbidden fruits in their own youth, and it didn`t do any harm to them did it? (or perhaps it did!)
Melon Farmers (Dave) [26662. Posted 28-Mar-2010 Sun 18:19] View Near Messages
oops. Link to BBC filth got screwed.
Should be
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/165643/Families-hit-by-BBC-filth- Melon Farmers (Dave) [26649. Posted 25-Mar-2010 Thu 08:30] View Near Messages
Thanks Dancing Monkey
I will add the note tomorrow Melon Farmers (Dave) [26558. Posted 7-Mar-2010 Sun 05:43] View Near Messages
Sergio
Here it is
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classified.nsf/c2fb077ba3f9b33980256b4f002da32c/66f3534914e4e8e0802576d50060cc36?OpenDocument
The BBFC have just updated the entry with a long justification of the ban.
I also have spotted that there seems to be a cock up in the dates in the BBFC database. It looks like a fair few weeks all got lumped together to one date in January. Maybe explains the blip in the stats of so many R18s in January. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26528. Posted 2-Mar-2010 Tue 09:14] View Near Messages
Just supposing these loons somehow got their way and eliminated sexuality and body image issues.
So that everyone was judged on the merits of their minds....
Then there would STILL be half the population that had less than average talents. They would just get a different set of complexes about their lack of wit, intelligence, artistic ability or whatever. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26478. Posted 16-Feb-2010 Tue 04:18] View Near Messages
DarkAngel
Thanks for the comment, I have deleted an ambiguous statement. I was reading Shock! Horror! by Francis Brewster, Harvey Fenton & Marc Morris.
The explanation was that Mario Bava`s film was indeed listed but the list didn`t make enough detail available, and so retailers pulled Joel M Reed`s film of the same name. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26450. Posted 5-Feb-2010 Fri 06:15] View Near Messages
Martin Salter in the news again
READING MP Martin Salter came under fire today (Wednesday) when he enraged Catholics by attacking the Pope in an internet blog.
The Labour MP sparked lively debate on a national newspaper website with his near 700 word defence of the Government`s Equality Bill in which he described the Pontiff as "a bloke in a dress".
Mr Salter accused Pope Benedict XVI of being deliberately misleading in his argument against the proposed legislation, adding: "I find the hypocrisy of the Pope reprehensible, especially in a leader of a Church that internationally covered up its own institutionalised abuse."
See the blog at
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/msalter/100024808/the-popes-misleading-comments-about-the-equality-bill-only-highlight-his-hypocrisy/ Melon Farmers (Dave) [26445. Posted 4-Feb-2010 Thu 00:38] View Near Messages
MichaelG, Sergio
The ElitePain.com site (now closed) was associated with Mood Pictures
http://hotmoviesblog.com/2010/02/03/mood-pictures-arrested/ Melon Farmers (Dave) [26439. Posted 1-Feb-2010 Mon 10:07] View Near Messages
The concept of increasing drinks prices to solve pub troubles is ludicrous.
I was in a pub the other day offering large meals for £3.60 and a pint of ale for £1.80. The pub was very busy with a complete cross section of the community enjoying the good value. There was no way that there will ever be any real trouble in that pub, it is effectively policed by the community.
If the prices were to triple, all the older people would find something else to do, whilst all the youngsters would drink on, the importance of finding a life partner surely is more of an imperative for them.
Thus increasing drinks prices generally stops the oldies and those that are already settled in life from drinking, leaving just the youngsters to get drunk and find friends without any calming influence from the older community.
Another example is strict checking of IDs, this keeps all the oldies out because they dislike the bouncer control freakery style and they dont carry the required passport anyway. Only the bingeing youngsters come prepared and so brave the ID checks. And again all it achieves is the dangerous mix of a pub being full of young people intent on serious drinking.
Oh and one more example is that of councilors who think it solves problems to limit the amount of pubs in an area. All this does is generate queues of people desperate to get into a pub. And where you have queues and limited capacity and little Hitler bouncers and drunk youngsters, trouble is soon to follow. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26437. Posted 1-Feb-2010 Mon 06:45] View Near Messages
MichaelG
With senior Tories sounding off against blamable media, such as Ian Duncan Smith below then I am sure there will be another ready to adopt Salter`s mantle.
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Innocence, Ian Duncan Smith warns, is being destroyed by children’s television and computer games. “We are driving children to lose their childhood, and some video games are incredibly violent, like Grand Theft Auto. They are meant to be 18 but nobody cares what it says on the label.”
Politicians also need to do more to deal with alcohol abuse. “We are an alcohol-obsessed country, more than almost anyone else in the world, but in Westminster they are terrified of doing anything about it. They are scared stiff of upsetting the electorate. I would hope Cameron is brave enough to confront that. Alcohol is every bit as dangerous as illegal drugs. You can argue that it’s more dangerous than heroin because it’s easier to get.”
There should, he says, be a swingeing tax on all wine, beer and spirits. “We are into unpopular territory now, but to deal with something like alcohol that is damaging the fabric of the nation, we need to raise prices. There is a direct connection between the price of alcohol and consumption.”
He also thinks the 24-hour licensing laws must be reversed. “This was absolutely driven by the drinks industry, determined to sell more alcohol.” Melon Farmers (Dave) [26322. Posted 12-Dec-2009 Sat 05:40] View Near Messages
pbr,
Hopefully the Tiger Woods gagging order is not a super injunction as noted in
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/dec/11/tiger-woods-law-injunction-media Melon Farmers (Dave) [26247. Posted 21-Nov-2009 Sat 08:37] View Near Messages
Mishka
I have put them here
http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/pdfs/BBFCGuidelines2005.pdf Melon Farmers (Dave) [26116. Posted 17-Oct-2009 Sat 20:26] View Near Messages
Sergio,
Enjoyed your art work there.
On the subject, a bit of local hassle with visitors to Pattaya regaled by a Nazi salute. (The poster is located at the city boundary where all the `Welcome to Pattaya` signs abound.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/25831/ambassadors-outraged-by-hitler-billboard-on-pattaya-highway Melon Farmers (Dave) [26113. Posted 17-Oct-2009 Sat 04:19] View Near Messages
Sergio,
The image accompanied a Mediawatch press release so that surely implies permission to use it accordingly.
But presumably that doesn`t imply permission to `modify` it.
But when lawyers seem nearly able to push round parliament, then logic doesn`t come into it anyway. Melon Farmers (Dave) [26092. Posted 12-Oct-2009 Mon 23:01] View Near Messages
Spiderschwein commented:
I wonder if we ought to look carefully at the green movement because I can see it being used as an excuse to bring in a lot of nasty authoritarian measures in the future.
Bang on cue:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/6292809/Smart-meters-could-be-spy-in-the-home.html Melon Farmers (Dave) [26055. Posted 6-Oct-2009 Tue 04:31] View Near Messages
Sergio
Doesn`t quite sound like a formal appeal. More like a a quiet word to think again because the BBFC are spouting bollox.
All this time and energy spent banning such a day to day porn staple. The trouble with the OPA bollox is that the law never actually gets challenged and mythical obscenity persists, wasting everybody`s money and time on pedantic bureaucracy. Melon Farmers (Dave) [25964. Posted 22-Sep-2009 Tue 19:09] View Near Messages
Re File Sharing
This is a strange new area where people weave their own web of morality. It is certainly not a simple case of being for or against it.
In an ideal world where content is readily available at a fair price, then I am surely against file sharing.
However the media industry have mostly failed to make their content available. I for one simply cannot legitimately buy my choice of music. As my IP address is identified as from Thailand, all the big comprehensive UK/US stores refuse to sell to me, and there is no local online store that sells my taste in music.
And then the censorship issue, if I had to buy legitimate local movies, then they would be unacceptable pixellated crap with no sex scenes and no guns or cigarettes.
And of course there`s TV that I like to watch. All the iPlayer and similar totally lock me out on basis of country.
In short, the media industry refuse to sell their content to me, so clearly they have to suffer the consequences of people seeking other alternatives.
And I am most definitely totally against the nasty minded enforcement techniques of the media industry. Piling up massive fines and punishment against the unlucky few is simply an insult to the concept of justice.
But really, if the media industry got off its arse and let people buy what they wanted, rather than enforce region restrictions, country restrictions, DRM restrictions etc, then I support, like many others, legitimate sales over file sharing. Melon Farmers (Dave) [25948. Posted 17-Sep-2009 Thu 04:46] View Near Messages
Remember the old Victorian morality tales for kids
Struwwelpeter had one where something along the lines of if you don`t cut your fingernails...mad scissorman will get you (incredible drawings on Google images under Struwwelpeter)
Surely nastier images then anything we can come up with today Melon Farmers (Dave) [25930. Posted 12-Sep-2009 Sat 20:40] View Near Messages
Hi Hobosoup
Thanks for the info, I will get it noted somewhere, perhaps may help somebdoy in a prosecution one day.
Re Soft intelligence
The implementation of this database seems very likely to promote function creep.
It will surely fail to identify abusers, so every time there will be a nasty case that hits the headlines, they will change the parameters to fit the person who was otherwise missed.
Eg if the latest abuser would have been picked up if only they had included data on prostitution/swinging/BDSM/horror movies/holidaying in Thailand etc then these could be added to the banned activities list.
The "better safe than sorry"/"if it stops just one case it is worth it" mentality will easily justify ever more constraints on enjoying life Melon Farmers (Dave) [25844. Posted 25-Aug-2009 Tue 04:27] View Near Messages
So who`s going to have a guess at what Harriet Hatemen and co may want to slip into a VRA now they are given an opportunity Melon Farmers (Dave) [25834. Posted 24-Aug-2009 Mon 09:11] View Near Messages
MichaelG
Good letter. I was thinking about the BBFC and their `harm` nonsense in reference to all the cuts they make in R18s. Particularly when they cut gagging or choking. Clearly no harm came to the performers, otherwise they could hardly finish the scene. Has anyone been `harmed` anywhere in the world from gagging on a blow job? Surely this is statistically provable if anyone has suffered injury or death from gagging on a dick. Melon Farmers (Dave) [25780. Posted 5-Aug-2009 Wed 07:58] View Near Messages
Good one Sergio. Rape and equality lessons for 5 year olds:
Today`s lesson my dearie never forget `what little boys made of: Frogs and snails, and puppy-dogs` tails`. And you know what puppies like to do against your leg! Melon Farmers (Dave) [25776. Posted 5-Aug-2009 Wed 07:07] View Near Messages
Looking at that Daily Mail article, is it me or is Harriet Hagman starting to look like a nursery rhyme witch? The nose is definitely getting more hag like. With a suitable pointy hat the first picture would look like something out of Hansel & Gretel Melon Farmers (Dave) [25723. Posted 24-Jul-2009 Fri 21:48] View Near Messages
Braindead,
Censorship in forums is inevitable to some extent as we do live in a world where censorship is imposed by the state. Any posting that is illegal is almost certainly going to get taken down from most sites as not many people want to spend time in prison as a matter of principle.
Secondly posts get deleted (here at least) when people are impolite or uncivilised. Abusive postings can and do drive away contributors. Communities do have rules of etiquette.
And of course there is finally the concept of `troll` which is a convenient tag applied to posters opposing the ethos of the site. This is probably getting a bit closer to `censorship`. Of course reaction to this is down to the site admin. How close does it get to threatening the aims of the site owner? `Trolls` on Melon Farmers are welcome to have their say but if 1000 Media-watch opponents were to effectively take over the forum then I for one would soon pull the plug. Certainly censorship, but other practicalities simply override.
So yes, censorship by anti-censorship leaning people is inevitable...just a matter of degree Melon Farmers (Dave) [25706. Posted 23-Jul-2009 Thu 09:15] View Near Messages
Phantom,
The Scottish Women`s Aid did respond to the most recent Scottish extreme porn proposal
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/s3/committees/justice/inquiries/CriminalJusticeandLicensing/CJL75.pdf
But said very little except to endorse the comments of Rape Crisis Scotland and the Women’s Support Project.
They were also part of the Scottish Womens Convention which which submitted a joint response to the original DPA consultation
http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/pdfs/swc.pdf
There response is best summed up by their catchy logic, all porn is extreme:
Pornography whether defined as ‘mainstream’ or as ‘extreme’ equally involves the graphic, sexually explicit subordination of women through pictures or words, which also includes one or more of the following:
• Women are presented dehumanised as sexual objects, things, or commodities
• Women are presented as sexual objects enjoying pain or humiliation or rape
• Women are presented as sexual objects tied up, cut up, mutilated, bruised or physically hurt
• Women are presented in postures of sexual submission or servility or display
• Women are presented reduced to body parts, penetrated by objects or animals
Women are presented in scenarios of degradation, injury, torture, shown as filthy or inferior, bleeding, bruised, or hurt in a context that makes those conditions sexual. How can any depiction of rape not be ‘extreme’?
Melon Farmers (Dave) [25689. Posted 20-Jul-2009 Mon 11:14] View Near Messages
personal imports via the post
no duty/VAT if < £18 for ordered imports
no duty/VAT if < £36 for gifts
otherwise they attract about 25% duty & VAT on the whole value Melon Farmers (Dave) [25684. Posted 20-Jul-2009 Mon 00:37] View Near Messages
Dark Angel re Psycho 2,
There are a couple of nude shots of Meg Tilly that do the rounds on the celebrity nude sites. They are as if looking through a curtain and show frontal and side shots. Try meg tilly nude psycho II in google images to see what I mean. I guess these are what you think may be missing.
Melon Farmers (Dave) [25568. Posted 24-Jun-2009 Wed 03:35] View Near Messages
Re Moral Maze
They have got a Media March rep on who has asked for prayers for support
http://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/news.aspx?action=view&id=3526 Melon Farmers (Dave) [25553. Posted 22-Jun-2009 Mon 06:58] View Near Messages
Thanks Ian
PC crashed during the process. Hopefully fixed now Melon Farmers (Dave) [25539. Posted 18-Jun-2009 Thu 19:08] View Near Messages
hgorrill
"the males were hidden from public view and shown behind a screen which had the appropriate legal signage".
This seems entirely appropriate as it adds to the theme that the women are in glorious public view whilst the men are subjugated and hidden away behind restrictions. Post-Sharia anyone?
Anyway if one of the purposes of art is to get people noticing and talking, then surely this show is a job well done. Must be worth adding the debate to your portfolio. Melon Farmers (Dave) [25483. Posted 16-Jun-2009 Tue 11:31] View Near Messages
Well it seems BBFC have been sacked when it comes to video games. The Digital Britain Report has opted for the self classification of PEGI.
I can`t help but feel that pissing off the industry with the BBFC ban of Manhunt 2 was the beginning of the end Melon Farmers (Dave) [25322. Posted 18-May-2009 Mon 06:46] View Near Messages
HotMandy
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/obb/ocsc_adjud/rhfportland.pdf
Yes indeed RedHot & TVX done on 2 counts, 1 for showing explicit female masturbation and the other for broadcasting the URLs of websites with R18 material without age checks (in this case just 30s teasers prompting people to pay up).
A bit of a nasty really, as I can`t imagine anyone paying up to `promises` of hardcore for websites from companies with such a track record of promising hard but delivering soft. They surely need a bit of proof first. Melon Farmers (Dave) [25217. Posted 17-Apr-2009 Fri 08:09] View Near Messages
Phantom & PirateBay
The Swedish guys seemed well shocked both in terms of the legalities and the fact that they have popular support in Sweden. I have to wonder if this was so much of a world focus case that Sweden was intensively lobbied by the US to achieve the right result.
In terms of the liability for linking I guess the megacorporation of Google will be up for stick before melonfarmers. They may have a few bucks to spend on good lawyers to defend `dangerous linking`. However you are right in your though provoking observation in that it will start off a new avenue of legal nastiness. It has all sorts of levels of abstraction eg telling people what to type into google Melon Farmers (Dave) [25169. Posted 6-Apr-2009 Mon 21:59] View Near Messages
Freeworld, many thanks indeed for all your insightful posts.
Just before NuLabour first came to power, I went to a talk by the Living Marxism/Spiked crew. It was uncanny how close they got to predicting many of the laws & sentiments in your post. They knew the NuLabour wanabees well and so it was down to knowledge rather than prediction.
I fear that Brits will never be able to rebel against the trend though, mainly down to student loans & sky high mortgages which make most people reliant on working for/within the system. They simply then have not got the freedom to opt out or even to significantly oppose.
Anyway I hope the respite from banging heads against brick walls puts your health back on a better course Melon Farmers (Dave) [25015. Posted 14-Mar-2009 Sat 09:33] View Near Messages
MichaelG
The gov reckon they will save billions on canceling people`s entitlement to healthcare when they are not in the country enough. Health tourism is one of the major spurs to the id card and e-borders nonsense (it pre-dated even the security aspects) Melon Farmers (Dave) [24879. Posted 24-Feb-2009 Tue 22:45] View Near Messages
Good to see Shaun`s IWF challenge get wider coverage on The Register
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/20/iwf_charity/ Melon Farmers (Dave) [24702. Posted 9-Feb-2009 Mon 08:35] View Near Messages
On previous occasions, minor MPs have proposed amendments to criminalise all paid for sex. Does the lack of such amendments this time suggest that they are all convinced that this clause is indeed intended to do the job and criminalise all paid for sex anyway. Melon Farmers (Dave) [24630. Posted 3-Feb-2009 Tue 11:29] View Near Messages
pbr
Howabout religious ceremonies, perfectly acceptable to egg each other on to whip yourself into a bloody frenzy with the blades of a zanjeer (but thankfully not ok to inflict this on kids).
I wonder of the Philippines crucifixions would be acceptable here in the name religious respect Melon Farmers (Dave) [24600. Posted 31-Jan-2009 Sat 03:36] View Near Messages
MichaelG
Re the Merstham vigilantes. That`s a scary looking picture. Co-incidently I used to work in Merstham...never did feel quite at ease in the pubs there...always a bit tense. Melon Farmers (Dave) [24555. Posted 29-Jan-2009 Thu 03:21] View Near Messages
There`s also a dangerous pictures of children article in the Spectator
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3300776/could-you-get-arrested-for-owning-a-graphic-novel.thtml
Not sure where they got the idea that the drawing should be realistic though Melon Farmers (Dave) [24533. Posted 27-Jan-2009 Tue 13:06] View Near Messages
Just been reading Craig Murray on various NuLabour political stories
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/weblog.html
A fair amount echoes some of the very thoughts from this forum Melon Farmers (Dave) [24472. Posted 24-Jan-2009 Sat 09:51] View Near Messages
emark re Dangerous Pictures Eve Protest
Sunday 25th January 2009, 2-5pm
Parliament Square, Westminster, London.
I`ve sent my apologies being several thousand miles away but if anyone can send a couple of pictures or reports from the event I will get them added pronto Melon Farmers (Dave) [24450. Posted 21-Jan-2009 Wed 22:44] View Near Messages
MichaelG
Yes indeed good to see the whinges rebuffed by the ASA. But on the other hand it is a bit of a shame as we could have fun complaining about religious posters and asking them to justify their nonsense claims.
Spoonbender
There is an alarmingly good chance that Brown and Darling could screw up the economy so much as to be forced out of office. (Not that I am actually hoping for this though)
SasaMisa
What is the title of the Register piece? It seems to have scrolled off already Melon Farmers (Dave) [24418. Posted 18-Jan-2009 Sun 03:40] View Near Messages
DarkAngel
No I don`t think so. Money Laundering has become a misleading term. It now means ill gotten gains and applies to anything from fiddling your expenses to money from selling `illegal` videos. It is a term that no longer implies organised crime.
It is now one of those extra things that prosecutors add on that sounds damning in the local papers Melon Farmers (Dave) [24395. Posted 16-Jan-2009 Fri 06:17] View Near Messages
Sergio
Apparently it is popular to photoshop a child`s face onto adult porn (or was it vice versa). I think that is what they are getting at Melon Farmers (Dave) [24353. Posted 11-Jan-2009 Sun 10:53] View Near Messages
Green Watch was more to do with Stephem Greem tham ecology. But as the point was raised, can anyone tell me how green taxes are meant to work.
Surely if brown pretends to tax light bulbs, air travel or plasma TVs he will surely spend the extra tax raised on things that use up world resources, whether it be pensioners winter fuel subsidy or new hospitals, it will probably use just as much carbon stuff as the original person taxed.
If you subsidise home insulation such that people save money on their gas bill, then maybe they spend the extra money saved on something else, say a flight to Thailand. What is the ecological point?
Surely the only way to make people use less resources is to make them poorer, hardly politically acceptable Melon Farmers (Dave) [24343. Posted 10-Jan-2009 Sat 09:01] View Near Messages
Looking back at the recent long running regimes it would seem that the best voting policy would be to always vote the incumbent government out.It doesn`t seem to make much difference which party. But parties of both obnoxious flavours seem to do their least worst in their first term.
Dave`s voting model in the lack of sufficient knowledge about the candidate
1) top priority don`t vote for candidates with religious affiliation
2) 2nd priority don`t vote for the incumbent ruling party
Obviously rules can be broken if you know enough about the candidate Melon Farmers (Dave) [24273. Posted 3-Jan-2009 Sat 10:47] View Near Messages
Re hiding your trail,
How about a browser application that a bit like a screen saver spiders randomly around the web whilst you are not using the browser yourself. It flits from site to site emulating reading times and randomness of a typical user.
Your ISP would then be flooded by reams of websites visited and would not be able to work out the sites you actually read.
Besides it may make a cool screen saver Melon Farmers (Dave) [24247. Posted 1-Jan-2009 Thu 05:03] View Near Messages
Happy New Year Everybody
I`m getting too scared for predictions. The monstrosity of easily searchable databases is all the crystal ball you need.
Just imagine your whole life on a database and some minor jobsworth/policeman/social worker/tax inspector/employment vetter says to the computer operator: "get me a little dirt on him"...life wont be worth living Melon Farmers (Dave) [24209. Posted 24-Dec-2008 Wed 20:22] View Near Messages
Merry Christmas everybody
Time to enjoy a couple of days of less censorship... if only because the censors are enjoying their holidays too. Melon Farmers (Dave) [24160. Posted 20-Dec-2008 Sat 10:18] View Near Messages
Spoonbender,
I would say that most Pattaya bargirls would be said to be controlled for gain.
In terms of control they generally they have to go with whoever the bar say, in terms of gain, a barfine (payable to the bar) is way in excess of compensation for a few hours lost work. I would say barfines are generally set at about 3 days pay. I don`t think the compensation argument would stand up to scrutiny by a barrister.
Freelancers are surely ok in terms of being controlled by the bar, but they could still have `boyfriends`, and of course if their boyfriend gives them a lift to work on a motorbike then they are being trafficked too. Melon Farmers (Dave) [24111. Posted 18-Dec-2008 Thu 08:01] View Near Messages
IDIOT,
Fitna has been on the web a long time without so many problems. It targets the religion rather than people following the religion which is an important factor. Not sure inciting tension is really strong enough, the UK threshold is set higher than that. Of course if the police did one of their early morning raids they could make life hell whatever the law nominally says. Melon Farmers (Dave) [24015. Posted 10-Dec-2008 Wed 22:49] View Near Messages
From Ofcom`s latest whinges bulletin:
During a radio show, the presenter said the following when introducing the song Black Hole Sun by Soundgarden:
"Barack Obama’s favourite song. Your Mum’s got a big black hole, son".
They received a complain that this was a racist comment.
In their decision Ofcom said:
"Ofcom does not assess whether behaviour or language is racist; this is a matter for relevant authorities. However, Ofcom does require that generally accepted standards are applied in radio programmes. It is concerned that this comment, which clearly is potentially offensive on the grounds of race, had been included in a broadcast without due consideration for the way it may have been interpreted by listeners and without any apology within the programme itself".
"Ofcom concluded that the comment was not justified by the context and breached generally accepted standards. It was therefore in breach of Rule 2.3.".
Ofcom do not assess racist comments...BUT...they do assess `potential` racist comments and punish accordingly. This logic came up for the IWF this week too, they cannot assess child porn ..BUT.. censor `potential` child porn images anyway.
What`s up with a country where even censors cannot determine whether things are illegal or not so punish things that are `potentially` illegal. Melon Farmers (Dave) [23943. Posted 8-Dec-2008 Mon 10:29] View Near Messages
The censors of the IWF are said to be reviewing their decision about the Virgin Killer LP cover. Particularly as now Amazon US is under threat of blocking
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/dec/08/amazon-internet-censorship-iwf Melon Farmers (Dave) [23934. Posted 8-Dec-2008 Mon 06:19] View Near Messages
BOD,
Good point but Sergio`s demo is still pretty valid, just a too widely well known image to make a simple page block worth while.
I edited the direct link but still obvious where it goes. Melon Farmers (Dave) [23892. Posted 4-Dec-2008 Thu 21:57] View Near Messages
BOD
Yes, a bit late. I prioritise censorship stories meaning that Bollox Britain items can get a bit log jammed, especially when there are so many! Melon Farmers (Dave) [23763. Posted 21-Nov-2008 Fri 11:13] View Near Messages
DarkAngel
Just saying hi from Thailand! Melon Farmers (Dave) [23756. Posted 21-Nov-2008 Fri 03:07] View Near Messages
Kwaka
It is trivial to set up a company in the UK, Just google "company formation" for lots of sub £100 options. Of course once started the red tape soon kicks in though. Most of the required info is available on the net, just needs time to find it. Good luck Melon Farmers (Dave) [23750. Posted 20-Nov-2008 Thu 18:42] View Near Messages
Kwaka
It is perfectly legal to run a user generated hardcore website from the UK, (with servers in the UK). It is also legal to set up a UK business to do this
However the level of porn must stay within in the R18 guidelines to keep the obscenity police at bay. And you must not sell mail order hardcore DVDs (or any other physical media) as this would be banned by the Video Recordings Act Melon Farmers (Dave) [23643. Posted 8-Nov-2008 Sat 19:09] View Near Messages
DarkAngel
My ISP is throttling bandwidth and this sometimes screws FTP uploads. There are actually 2 index files.
http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/index.htm
http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/index.html
The latter had failed to update and is the default used if you just type www.melonfarmers.co.uk
Phantom
Here`s hoping
Ian G
Seconded Melon Farmers (Dave) [23586. Posted 31-Oct-2008 Fri 08:20] View Near Messages
From when Peter Tatchell was notably roughed up by Robert Mugabe`s body guards who didn`t appreciate Tatchell`s citizens arrest.
Perhaps Tatchell could `arrest` Jack & Jacqui for gross abuse of human rights Melon Farmers (Dave) [23564. Posted 29-Oct-2008 Wed 09:18] View Near Messages
Seems Brand and Ross have been suspended... but interesting that Sachs may have given permission for something along the lines of the call
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/oct/29/jonathan-ross-russell-brand-suspended
Meanwhile, the BBC investigation is focusing on the details of what happened.
MediaGuardian.co.uk understands that on the day the Brand and Ross`s calls to Sachs` answerphone were recorded, a producer from the BBC rang the former Fawlty Towers actor to ask if he would mind them being used.
It is claimed that Sachs said they could be, as long as they were toned down a bit.
The pre-recorded show was then run by a BBC executive, who approved its transmission on Saturday October 18. Melon Farmers (Dave) [23545. Posted 27-Oct-2008 Mon 22:03] View Near Messages
Spoonbender,
Double shock horror!...she`s also glamourising knife crime Melon Farmers (Dave) [23520. Posted 25-Oct-2008 Sat 09:08] View Near Messages
I never really understand why guys get wound up by other guys being gay. I`d of thought that straight guys would be advantaged by the reduced competition for the girls.
Melon Farmers (Dave) [23519. Posted 25-Oct-2008 Sat 09:00] View Near Messages
OK time to lay off the age stuff, things are descending to a slanging match.
Only polite comments allowed for a while
Thanks Melon Farmers (Dave) [23475. Posted 21-Oct-2008 Tue 00:11] View Near Messages
MichaelG
How about keeping it simple and general
sexophobe: somebody who doesn`t like `other` people having sex
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